Stop using 4C, Black salon trauma, and is Black hair difficult?
With Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole Ocran
Join me on this special BONUS crossover episode of Texture Talks and Mixed Up Podcast as I sit down with hosts Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole Ocran, of The Mixed Up Podcast and multi-passionate creative Oneness Sankara to discuss and debate CANDIDLY the issues with the curl typing system, what 4C even means, ad whether we need to get rid of the system altogether to be able to not just better connect as a community but start seeing some REAL RESULTS on our natural hair care journeys! Together, we unpack how we, as black and mixed-race women, can speak honestly to each other properly about our hair, knowing and acknowledging we all have differing challenges but that us individually talking about them openly doesn't take away from one another's experiences. We also discuss some important topics, such as expectations around "who has it worse" and break down the myth of how "difficult" it is to have Black hair. This episode is in collaboration with The Mixed Up Podcast hosted by the amazing Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole Ocran.
- Hosted by
- Paige Lewin
- Special guest
- Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole Ocran
- About the guests
- Hosts of The Mixed Up Podcast
- Sponsored by
- Fulham Scalp & Hair Clinic
- About the sponsor
- Fulham Scalp & Hair Clinic are the UK’s most experienced Afro Hair Trichologists. Based in London, treating both European and Afro hair and scalp conditions.
- Exclusive offer
- Use discount code TEXTURETALKS5 for 5% off your consultation fee

